British Thoughts on Babies
"I don't dislike babies, though I think very young ones rather disgusting." ~ Queen Victoria

Dear Parents, We Still Want to Hang Out

A little while ago, I wrote a guest post on another blog about my fears surrounding being locked out of the Mommy Clubhouse if we don’t have a baby. After describing my first taste of being excluded from a parents-only event, I posed the question of whether this was just the tip of the iceburg or a one-off situation. I must say, the responses were terrifying! So many women without children gave some pretty sad testimony as to what’s happened to their circle of friends as everyone’s had babies but them. It got me wondering…

Why are the Childfree being excluded from events with kids?

It could be one of two things:

Possibility #1: They think we don’t want to be there. Most of the Childfree blogs and articles aren’t doing much to dispel this belief when they openly rant about how annoying it is to be at events with kids. I daresay I’m probably part of the problem. Parents may think we wouldn’t voluntarily put ourselves within a 2-mile radius of children, that we’d be bored, that we have a million other better things to be doing but have been guilted into attending a party involving Whack-a-Mole and gallons of grape soda.

Possibility #2: They don’t want us there. Who knows why? Maybe they think we no longer fit in. Maybe they don’t want to have to make a concentrated effort to not let the subject of kids dominate 100% of the conversation. Maybe they don’t want to be self-conscious about how their children are behaving or worry whether they’ll find themselves the subject of the next Maybe Maybe, Maybe Not blog post. Maybe they’re afraid we’ll get wildly drunk and puke in their bushes…and they’ll be forced to wistfully recall how long it’s been since they were “that person” at the party.

If it’s Possibility #2, well, there’s nothing much I can say about that – no one wants to be where they’re not wanted, so feel free to exclude to your heart’s content. But if it’s Possibility #1, here are a few messages I thought I’d throw out there now while my friend group is still relatively baby-less and I’m not yet in danger of receiving too much hate mail for it:

Some of us actually like kids.

There’s a huge myth out there that all Childfree people hate children. But I’ve heard from many of you that you’re totally nuts about them, and some of you even devote your lives to working with children as teachers or caregivers. So attending an event full of kiddos may be just the sort of thing your Childfree friend is looking for.

Let US decide whether or not we’d have fun.

There are definitely those of us who aren’t as wild about kids. A wild pack of pre-teens running into my shins and waving sparklers like lunatics at a Fourth of July barbeque doesn’t exactly sound like my ideal scene. But if that’s where all my friends are going to be in ten years? I’d rather be there with them, than alone on my couch. I’m not an idiot – I can look into the future and see that statistically speaking, at least 80% of my friends are going to have kids. And if I want to spend time with them, I’m going to need to spend time around kids too. At least there’s likely to be candy and cake more often, maybe even the occasional piñata.

And if I think I can still have fun chatting with the adults, even with the kiddie interruptions, shouldn’t that be my choice? Believe us, parents – if it’s a place we don’t want to be, we’re not going to drag ourselves there just to put in some face time or because we think you’ll be upset with us if we don’t.

You don’t HAVE to talk about your kids the whole time – and we can help with that.

I’ve actually heard parents themselves complain about how these Mommies & Daddies Only events turn into one giant gripe session. I don’t think most (or any, really) parents set out to become the types of people who only talk about their kids. But because most people have kids, and they take up such a significant portion of their life, it becomes the easiest conversation starter that just never ends. Eventually it becomes habit and when interesting non-kid-related things happen, your brain doesn’t always record them for future conversational purposes like it used to. And when you’re surrounded only by others who are in the same boat, it makes for some rather circular and recurring discussions.

I think some parents are afraid they’ve lost the ability to converse about anything other than the woes of parenthood.  Throwing your Childfree friends into the mix at these gatherings is one way to guarantee you’ll get off-topic for at least a portion of the time and can keep your pre-kid chatter talents fresh.

Just because your life has drastically changed, doesn’t mean our friendship has to do the same.

It’s going to change, there’s just no question about that. How much it changes though, is going to depend on how much effort we both put in to sustaining it. Childfree friends will have to accept that they may need to become the primary initiators in phone calls and invitations, and that they need to take an active interest in what’s going on with the kids. Parents will have to remember the friends that were around long before their new Mommy-and-Me yoga partners, and stop being afraid that we no longer have anything in common. We know things have changed. But we’ll still take our friendship, any way we can get it.

If you have some friends who could benefit from hearing this message, but you don’t know how to say it to them, just tweet or post this article using the buttons below – they’ll get the hint. And if they don’t, well…do you really want to be friends with someone so clueless anyways?

[photo credit: J.R. Goleno]

26 Responses to Dear Parents, We Still Want to Hang Out

  • Carmencita says:

    Amen! I’d like to include that maybe they’re repulsed by the fact that you may not reproduce and how dare you not join that hell? :) I’d also like to point out that I love babies A LOT so parents are always welcome to invite me to play dates, birthday parties, etc!

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      You may have just inadvertently signed yourself up for a lot of babysitting if any of your friends read this blog…

  • murph says:

    You will always get the invite as long as you promise to dress up like its breakfast club…

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      Oh, because you don’t want to pay to hire a clown for your daughter’s birthday parties? I see how it is.

  • AWESOME post, Liz. I don’t mind kids. I really enjoy hanging out with them. I just didn’t happen to want any of my own. It sucks being excluded. I think when most people get to know me and see me with their kids, they realize just because I don’t have my own doesn’t mean I’m like that evil kid catcher man in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Sucks when people exclude you though till they get the memo. Love your posts.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      I think I understand more why someone like me would get excluded because I’m terrible with kids – I’m just sorry those of you who are good with them are getting lumped in with me!

  • Audrey says:

    I do like children in small doses – and my friends know this. I’m an introvert, and I get a little overstimulated at adults-only events, so my friends still invite me to their children’s birthday parties or whatever…but they don’t expect me to come. Nothing irritates me more than a child screaming or a baby wailing…so I tend to stay away from places where that might happen.
    I really like the freedom of “You’re welcome to come, but if you don’t want to, that’s okay.”

  • kylie says:

    where i live they are thinking of promoting as a great place to bring up children and aim all their promotions etc at families now i don’t disagree with the statement i have lived here all my life however as the population is made up of mixes of ages they need to remember about those who don’t have children and cater to them as well afterall they are likely to be the ones with more disposable incomes.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      True. I just think family-friendly is such an easy buzzword for realtors and marketers, and since 80% of people do have kids, it’s just an easier market for them to go after. Unfortunately, that probably won’t change until the Childfree population gets a little larger. But it’s on its way!

  • Danielle says:

    Amen!

    I worked with children for almost 20 years and I still was/am not invited to anything geared toward children. Actually, I’m often overlooked – period. It’s like I don’t have the secret password or something. My decoder ring got lost in the mail.

    It really bothered me in my early to mid 30′s. I think that when you are a parent, you just hang in circles with other parents and they are the ones to get the invite. I’ve even told my “mother” friends that we could get together and I’m fine with doing “children’s” activities, but it never helped. I really thought it strange since I teach and work well with kids. I don’t know what more I can do? Now that I’m 39, I have more childfree friends. I didn’t even seek them out. So, my social life is more active than say – ten years back.

    On a different note, I feel like I don’t exactly fit either world. I can relate to parents because of the years spent working with children. Yet, I don’t, as mentioned above, get invited into that world outside of work. I also don’t fit into the childfree world either because I have fertility issues, but also have chosen not to pursue fertility. I’ve never felt a deep desire to have children. When I join a lot of childfree groups – many dislike children. Everyone has a right to their feelings, I just don’t really fit that thought myself. I’m in limbo. LOL

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      I know, it’s tough. Some of the Childfree groups tend to get a little negative. And regardless of whether you agree with their views on children, it’s just not healthy for everything to have such an edgy tone. But I’m at least glad to hear that you’ve found more childfree friends later in your thirties – it gives the rest of us hope!

  • Julie says:

    I feel your pain. As an educated, professional oriented and childfree military wife I have seen way too many family-friendly events that totally exclude families of two (husband and wife only). If you are a military wife and don’t have kids, you are automatically a misfit. You don’t belong to pretty much any event related. I’ve also been to a couple Girls Night Out (with military wives as I move a lot and don’t really have any friends around) just to feel that I can’t relate at all. No kids’ accomplishment to share or suggestion about cool places to take the kids this summer. I haven’t met a military spouse group yet that can engage in an adult conversation without mentioning children related topics all the freaking time. Maybe I’m out of luck because I refuse to believe it is like that everywhere else. But to keep my sanity, I decided not to hang out with them anymore (unless it is an inevitable official military thing). I may come across a bit antisocial but I’ve struggled too much in the past to fit in just to feel miserable. I know the post was more towards your long time friends and not really what I go through with people that I get to know every couple of years, but I thought it would be interesting to leave a different perspective on a similar issue. Keep blogging! I love it!

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      I’ve heard this before about the military circles. I wonder if this is because like you, they’re moving all the time, and children are always just the easiest way to connect to someone else, and since they’re going to move again soon, why bother going any deeper? What an interesting (but very unfortunate for you!) side effect. If you ever want to write a guest post about it here, just let me know – it’s probably a topic that doesn’t get a whole lot of exposure elsewhere!

  • kylie says:

    i have found when you bump into old high school “friends” is as soon as they ask you if you have children and you reply no the conversation instantly ends they have no idea what else to talk about. i find that really sad like thats the only common ground they know about.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      I know – maybe we need to start coming up with some hilarious responses to that question to keep the conversation rolling…actually, that would make a great post. I’m adding it to the list!

  • Kate says:

    I was worried this would happen when my friends began having kids, but it hasn’t – i still get invited to parties and get-togethers. However, I wish I didnt! I find that when I spend time with my friends one on one, its great, but once there are two or more mothers together in a group, the whole conversation is all about babies. Then I realize how different I am from them and I feel totally bored by the whole thing.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      What a bummer! Maybe we need to start traveling with conversation cards and just interject with wild topics they can’t resist.

  • Amy M says:

    Thank you for this post and your blog in general! I’m 33 and recently the last of my friends who hadn’t had a kid yet told me she’s pregnant and I was so happy for her but then as soon as I got off the phone I burst into tears. I felt like I “lost” my last remaining friend. I know we’ll still be friends but our relationship is about to change a lot. They already have actually; she only talks about her pregnancy and baby stuff and she’s only in the first couple months! From experience I know it will only get worse. My husband and I are the fence about kids now. We wanted them in our 20s but due to some medical issues I have (kidney transplant) it’s a lot more complicated than it is for my friends and we’re not sure we’re up for the challenges that will be required to have one. We have already been through a LOT with our previous attempts. Anyways I can relate to so many of your posts, so thank you for putting it all out there for other women in similar states of indecision/ambivalence!

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      Thanks, Amy! I’m sure adding health issues into the mix makes the decision even more difficult, but I’m glad you can relate to the posts. The issue you describe with your friend is so common – I really need to come up with something like The Ultimate Guide to Keeping Your Friends, Even After Babies. I’ll start working on that…

  • Molly says:

    “I don’t think most (or any, really) parents set out to become the types of people who only talk about their kids.” This line struck a nerve with me.
    We are childless-not-by choice and have noticed a huge gender discrepancy regarding “people who only talk about their kids.” Here is what we have seen: it is the MOMS. Dads are able to still carry on conversations about sports, travel, politics, whatever. Moms can ONLY talk about their kids. I actually made my husband sit at a table with the women when we were at a party last month so he could see how obsessed they are and how difficult these parties can be for me.

  • Dee says:

    I’m in the same boat as Molly…I always try to steer the conversation to something else, but I also don’t have a job most can relate to (in the arts), and really, talking about school districts and post-baby exercise routines gets pretty boring. I’m already kind of an introvert with new people, so going out and meeting new friends is practically impossible. However, going to toddler birthday parties does kind of make my husband and I ok with how science/biology has failed us in our quest for a child, because, honestly, those screaming little f*ckers are annoying as hell.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      Yes, I imagine I’d come away with a new appreciation for my currently quiet life after attending a toddler birthday party as well!

  • Scott says:

    There’s another possible explanation, though it’s probably subconscious: Parents may not like to be reminded of the life they led before they had kids. It’s similar to the phenomenon of married people distancing themselves from their single friends.

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