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Neighborhoods without Kids: Not Just for the 55-plus Crowd Anymore?

About a year ago, my parents came very close to signing on the dotted line for a plot of land in San Clemente to build a vacation home. But on their final visit to the mostly undeveloped cul-de-sac, they were met with a rather dark omen: a tricycle rolling down the street, complete screaming child.

Deal. Off.

My dad was in town on business last weekend so we took a drive down there to see how the neighborhood had developed. Every garage door was opened to reveal a mélange of primary-colored plastic vehicles, Fisher-Price basketball hoops, and Barbie Convertibles that cost more than Drew’s first car. We could barely get through the street with everyone’s mini-vans parked on both sides because their garages were filled to the brim with kiddie crap. It was a well-sketched version of my own personal hell. We drove off like a couple of PTSD victims crawling out of a battle zone. There was much talk of dodged bullets, narrow escapes.

My parents have officially switched their vacation home search to the strictly 55 and over communities. While not quite ready to fraternize exclusively with the elderly, they realized this was their only hope of not being woken every Saturday morning to the screams of someone being terrorized by a Super Soaker. And I had a little realization of my own…

Even if we don’t have kids, there’s nowhere to hide from everyone else’s.

Short of trying to weasel our way back into the college dorms, there’s really nowhere we can go without the threat of a noisy gaggle of kids moving in down the street. You can scope out the neighbors all you want before buying a house, but a For Sale sign could go up next door the moment you move in, and you have no control over what’s coming your way. That moving truck could be chock full of Big Wheels, Slip ‘N Slides and that faux vacuum cleaner with the popping plastic balls that can be heard from 8 light years away.

I do realize that I sound like a very crazy, very crabby “you kids get off my lawn!!!” old lady. But I don’t expect children to be seen and not heard. And I’m not saying they shouldn’t splash around in pools, go tearing down the street on their skateboards or run all over the neighborhood in a rousing game of Ghosts in the Graveyard. My brothers and I did all that stuff and more, and I’m grateful we lived in a place with big yards and lots of other kids around. But my parents moved there because they specifically wanted us to be in a family-friendly neighborhood.

Why can’t those looking for a family UN-friendly neighborhood have the same choices?

With 20% of women entering their mid-forties without having a baby, it seems there’d be quite a demand for Childfree neighborhoods. In fact, I’d pay a pretty hefty premium to live in such a place. I’d be willing to sacrifice square footage, yard size, upgraded fixtures, open floor plans and proximity to freeways, shopping and restaurants, in exchange for guaranteed Childfree neighbors.

I know people are going to say that there are places you can move to avoid kids, like really expensive apartments in the center of the city action, or houses in terrible school districts. But areas with terrible school districts tend to be, well, terrible, and if you want a house instead of an apartment or condo downtown, you’re pretty much out of luck. And the bottom line is that even those areas aren’t guaranteed to be childfree.

The Childfree neighborhood isn’t necessarily a perfect – or practical – idea.

Especially here in LA, there’s really only so much land, and new developments aren’t exactly popping up on a daily basis. But from time to time, they do. And can you imagine the glorious silence of a Childfree condo complex, or even just a no-kids-allowed street in a housing development?

My Dad and I jawed about this for a while and he brought up a good point: the 55+ thing works because these people are FOR SURE not having babies (except maybe the 70 year old man who brings in his 30 year old wife – we WERE in Orange County after all). But someone who moves into a Childfree-designated neighborhood could change their mind about kids or accidentally get pregnant. And then what? It’s not as easy as kicking a bad tenant out of an apartment.

I’m a perfect example of why it wouldn’t work. I’d say just about anything right now to get accepted into a Childfree neighborhood. But three or four years down the road when we finally make our decision, it might be to have a baby. And I’ll have gone and ruined my own utopic neighborhood vision. Maybe I’m not giving the devoutly Childfree enough credit. None of them could possibly be as neurotically wishy-washy about this decision as I am. And this idea has worked elsewhere – Childfree living is a reality in Scotland.

Would you pay a premium to live in a Childfree neighborhood? If so, spread the word – maybe this idea will get into the right hands and it could become a reality around the world!

Photo credit: metro.co.uk

30 Responses to Neighborhoods without Kids: Not Just for the 55-plus Crowd Anymore?

  • Becky says:

    Wow – it is so strange that you posted this today. In a couple of months, we will be putting down a deposit on 1.6 acres of wooded land in a very pricey neighborhood in our town (we live in NC). In about a year and half, we will begin construction on our nearly $400,000, 3,000 square foot forever home. The neighborhood we are building in has some kids, but given the price tag to live in it, the kids are all well behaved and quiet. Our wooded lot and 6 foot fence that will surround our big backyard with in ground pool will create a nice buffer between us and any child-related noise that may occur in our neighborhood.

    I say all this not to toot our own horn about having this kind of home, but to emphasize the fact that we are willing to pay the price to live away from children. We both work in corporate America, so the only time we HAVE to see children is when we are with our families, are at church or make the occasional dine in visit to Chick-fil-a.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      Congrats Becky, it sounds amazing! Having that much land will definitely be an advantage, regardless of who moves in next door. We’d unfortunately have to move out of LA to make something like that happen, which just isn’t an option. Hope all goes well for you through the construction process!

  • Jennifer says:

    We have neighbors on either side with kids and probably about 2/3 of the houses have kids in our neighborhood. There are times when I hear screaming, baseballs have landed in our backyard and I get the random hello from one peeking over the fence. I don’t mind though, in fact I hope they continue to grow up here so maybe we can get them to do some cheap yard work one day. I didn’t know there are even options of child free neighborhoods and I wouldn’t want one.

  • You know, I’m childfree and openly so, but I probably would not opt to move to a neighborhood without kids. I actually love kids and love having them around –as long as they’re not mine and I have a home to send them back to. I love when they come to my house at Halloween, and love dressing up the yard for them then. I love putting up lights at Christmas. I don’t do it just for me and Wayne. I love when they get to know us, as all our neighborhood kids inevitably have, when we walk our dog. I love seeing them get excited to see Murph and pet him, get some dog kisses, and tell us about their day or whatever big is happening in their lives. I get a kick watching them grow and develop into people. We’ve had 2 neighborhoods where we’ve really gotten to know the neighbors and their kids and to see the kids from the 1st neighborhood now in college, and the ones in this second neighborhood entering high school and starting to drive? Well, it’s neat. And scary. And a reminder how fast kids grow and time flies and keeps us honest about our age.

    We’ve also lucked out I guess that none of the kids have been super bad or disrespectful or noisy. At least nothing we couldn’t tolerate. (And we’re pretty quiet people who like our space and like it respected.) I don’t mind seeing the kid paraphernalia. I know other childfree-ers who do, though. I think they’d like your idea of a childfree, non-55+ ‘hood.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      That’s interesting – I’ve never thought of putting up holiday decorations as being for kids. I really love how our neighborhood looks all lit up in December, and assumed most adults do too, but I could see how most people probably do it for kids. That’s great that you’ve gotten so much joy out of the neighborhood kids, and I’m guess you probably had some pretty respectful neighbors for that to have been such a pleasant experience.

  • Sarah Effie says:

    I’d love to live in a neighborhood without kids not because I dislike kids, but rather to avoid those sanctimonious, “hardest-job-in-the-world” types of parents that seem to have become endemic to my New York City neighborhood. If I had the money, I’d definitely pay to avoid having to bump into these types on a daily basis. Unfortunately, I think that in most states, childfree neighborhoods and buildings for the non-elderly would be illegal.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      Wow, I hadn’t even thought about not wanting to be around certain parents, but I could see how that would be annoying for some people too!

    • Haha. It is the hardest job in the world. Truly.

      And I promise you I’m not sanctimonious. Just traumatized ;)

  • neal says:

    I identify with your problem, but I’m going to push it even further. Despite having a kid of my own whom I adore, I’m not biting at the bit to be surrounded by them. The thing is, when you describe the noise and general rowdiness that goes along with kids having fun in a neighborhood, I can see how that might sometimes seem tough. But how often are children out being rowdy at midnight (I suppose you might worry about teenagers, but none of your examples seem to go that high in age)? Maybe they sometimes get up early in the mornings, but from my experience, they mostly stay inside bothering their parents during the truly important weekend catch-up hours.

    No, what seems even worse is more general than kids. What’s the quote? “Hell is other people” – the ones who have drinking parties that last late into the night, (do you really miss the college dorm days? Those SUCKED for sleep and peace of mind, not to mention there was probably more vacating of bowels and stomach contents amongst that crowd than even with kids) or that play their rock music too loud, or that have freaking loud motorcycles, or that mow their lawns at 6:00 in the morning…

    Frankly THOSE kinds of things bother me more than kids in a neighborhood. And I think that DOES leave you with two options: retirement community, or the deep wilderness. I like nature. I’m going to opt for the latter as soon as I can. Maybe I’ll cross paths with you out there some day.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      Funny you should bring up the late-night noise – that type of thing doesn’t bother me in the least, probably because I’m the perpetrator every once in a while, and I’m usually out pretty late on weekend nights myself so I’m not around to hear it. I think the same is probably true for a lot of people who don’t have kids (yet or ever). Maybe we’re just able to tolerate the noises that fit closest with our own lifestyle at the time.

      • neal says:

        Funny to think that families with kids would cruise neighborhoods looking for homes, hoping that they wouldn’t end up next to a bunch of young kid-free people who stay up really late. I guess the fear could go both ways.

  • nikkiana says:

    I’m childfree, and of all the noises in my NYC neighborhood… I’d much rather hear the children playing than I would the conversations that I end up overhearing from the adults. I’d happily trade having the kids play in my backyard for the jobless stoners who think sitting in my bedroom window sill is a good place to smoke weed. *sigh*

  • kylie says:

    we live in a samll cul de sac where there is a kindy and right next door to a playground. As majority of kids are taken everywhere these days we don’t hear much noise from the kind and as for the park its school holidays here in nz at the moment we are having a run of fine but very frosty weather and there has hardly been any kids around. they just don’t play like we used to. I like living where we are and the occasional noise from kids can be just annoying as the lawn mower on a sunday morning after you have had a hard night. i wonder though if you make a neighbourhood for over 55 have grandchildren been factored in?

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      That’s an interesting point that kids don’t play the way they used to – I’m sure we raised much more of a ruckus 20 years ago than the kids today who are glued to the TV or X-Box.

      • kylie says:

        The saddest thing is alot of kids today don’t know how to take a risk and the conesequences of it yet the parents happily hand them the car keys once they have their license. If you ask me its abit late to be learning about risk taking while driving a lethal weapon no wonder the rate for young drivers in accidents these days is higher thab it used to be.

  • finrind says:

    Well, the thing is, right now, in this real world, there is no way to even just be renting an apartment and being sure you’re not going to end up with childed neighbors upstairs or downstairs. The only way I know to rent a place and have some probability there will be no screaming is to rent a lead-paint apartment. In all other cases, the law protects families’ rights to housing.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      I know – apartments and condos are the roughest because kids upstairs means little feet running constantly above your head.

  • I hear you. My poor neighbour below us has to listen to my son stomping through the house at 6:30 every morning, and my baby girl waking up at night.
    We hear the kids playing and shrieking in the pool next door, and yesterday during naptime (yes, I was napping too, I haven’t had a full night’s sleep in FOUR YEARS) the kids outside were shouting so loudly that I kept thinking it was MY son yelling for ME.

    If only I could afford to move to a child free neighbourhood and leave the kids here with a nanny. . .I would visit daily. . .

  • Diva says:

    I really love kids so I would want to live in a kiddy neighborhood regardless of whether I had kids myself. I enjoying hearing them play, and I would likely join in myself if the parents were about as well. I think it would be nice to be an auntie to the local kids, exercising my nurturing side without the full commitment of parenthood. Win-win!

    I also think that it’s important to foster multi-age relationships, especially if you don’t have kids. These relationships could be helpful in getting through one’s elder years — not necessarily in terms of assistance, although that would be great, but in terms of fellowship and enjoyment of different life perspectives.

  • Diva says:

    P.S. I forgot to mention above that even as I would choose a neighborhood with kids, I’m totally in favor of people living in whatever neighborhood suits them, childfree or otherwise.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      I think that’s the key point – it would just be great if we all had a little more control over what sort of environment we want to live in. Your point about fostering multi-age relationships is a good one too, and something I definitely have some room to improve on!

  • Mali says:

    I think there’s a difference between a neighbourhood with some kids, a real mix of people, and a neighbourhood where every house but yours has kids. I definitely wouldn’t choose the latter. We have a family of kids next door, but we also have an elderly man, a couple with a little girl, some single guys etc. I like the mix.

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      That’s true – I think it seems most overwhelming when you’re just completely bombarded by kids on all sides.

    • Katy says:

      I completely agree, Mali. That’s one of the reasons we recently moved – we were literally the ONLY house in the neighborhood sans children. I prefer a mix as well. But it was no real surprise that it ended up that way. One of the reasons we picked that neighborhood was because it was across the street from a good elementary school, because we were trying to have kids at the time. Too bad it didn’t work :( Next time we won’t be looking for a house right next to a school.

  • Denise says:

    Part of the reason it is so hard to find a neighborhood without children is that it is illegal to advertise homes for sale or rent in a discriminatory manner such as by specifying “couples only” or “no children”. There is an exception for retirement communities and low-income assistance housing geared toward seniors that makes it legal to rent / sell only to (for example) persons 55 and older.

    See this pdf for more information: http://fairhousingadvocates.com/advertising.pdf

    Excerpt:
    “Section 804 of the federal fair housing law states it is against the law to ‘…make, print, publish, or cause to be made, printed, or published any notice, statement, or advertisement, with respect to the sale or rental of a dwelling that indicates any preference, limitation or discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin, or any intention to make any such preference limitation or discrimination.’”

    • Maybe Lady
      Maybe Lady says:

      I know, I came across this when I was looking into Childfree neighborhoods – apparently they have no such laws in Ireland! It’s an excellent point that it could become quite a slippery, slippery slope if we all tried to designate exactly who our neighbors are…

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